In reply to Rev. Robert Mayes.

Ah. I see what you are saying now. You do have to admit, though, reading back from what you were saying, it sounded like you were meaning it the way I and the other commenter took it. I misunderstood your point.

As for Augustine, give the guy a break. It's not easy to discuss such matters with an empire that is hostile against your religion because it thinks your religion caused its downfall. Nor is it easy to win such heated discussions. Yet Augustine did a remarkable job.

One more side note. The problem with dismissing a thinker because of bias is, that try as hard as people might, there will always be some bias somewhere, that directs man's thoughts. Every writer has some bias for or against something. But that does not mean we can just dismiss every writer or writing, for that matter. Perhaps it would be better to frame the question as to asking which bias is more grounded. And if you start from that point, Augustine holds up his own pretty well. Just a consideration in the future. Again, sorry for misunderstanding and God's blessings.

In Christ,
Rev. Robert Mayes
Beemer, NE